Dear Friends in the Abide Project, I appreciate the careful compositions, such as this one, which identify ways to honor scriptural truth. Please be encouraged to also equip the saints to learn and practice the Jacob's Well hospitality taught us by our Lord and Savior. The discordant lives addicted to fleeting erotic neural sensations and/or disliked birth gender need the genuine compassionate ear of hospitable followers of Jesus! Andy Visser www.therapeuticchoice.com
And now my more serious question: Regarding the phrase “consumed with passion”, is this referring to something like a committed life-long loving relationship (a marriage perhaps?) or something more like a one-night stand? Seems a lot of men are “consumed with passion” in ways that lead them to do things like cheat on spouses or sleep around with women, and the church would call this unchaste. Usually when people do things like build a loving relationship and then get married and become fully committed to each other, we don’t refer to that outcome as being “consumed with passion”. So what is that actually referring to?
Thanks for your question, Andrew. The context in Romans 1 of that phrase is, ". . . were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men . . ." The key here is that the passion was for one another, it was mutual, not only acts of violence. The wording, "men committing shameless acts with men" also indicates the acts are always wrong, the acts are shameless. So, it is not a matter of how passionate the acts were, or if they were part of a long-term, loving commitment. Same-sex acts are declared in this passage to always be wrong.
It’s really that simple. Just agree with Abide, and if you at first don’t, try harder to so that you do. And don’t get caught up worrying about minutia. Anything short of face value acceptance simply means you’re going to hell.
That is a significant topic, Ron. I will send you a paper on infant baptism and the Abrahamic covenant etc. (It will take a while, three grandchildren here.) I am thinking you are already aware of these things, so I will greatly appreciate your critique of the paper.
Well said Herb. Thanks for writing this.
Dear Friends in the Abide Project, I appreciate the careful compositions, such as this one, which identify ways to honor scriptural truth. Please be encouraged to also equip the saints to learn and practice the Jacob's Well hospitality taught us by our Lord and Savior. The discordant lives addicted to fleeting erotic neural sensations and/or disliked birth gender need the genuine compassionate ear of hospitable followers of Jesus! Andy Visser www.therapeuticchoice.com
And now my more serious question: Regarding the phrase “consumed with passion”, is this referring to something like a committed life-long loving relationship (a marriage perhaps?) or something more like a one-night stand? Seems a lot of men are “consumed with passion” in ways that lead them to do things like cheat on spouses or sleep around with women, and the church would call this unchaste. Usually when people do things like build a loving relationship and then get married and become fully committed to each other, we don’t refer to that outcome as being “consumed with passion”. So what is that actually referring to?
Thanks for your question, Andrew. The context in Romans 1 of that phrase is, ". . . were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men . . ." The key here is that the passion was for one another, it was mutual, not only acts of violence. The wording, "men committing shameless acts with men" also indicates the acts are always wrong, the acts are shameless. So, it is not a matter of how passionate the acts were, or if they were part of a long-term, loving commitment. Same-sex acts are declared in this passage to always be wrong.
It’s really that simple. Just agree with Abide, and if you at first don’t, try harder to so that you do. And don’t get caught up worrying about minutia. Anything short of face value acceptance simply means you’re going to hell.
Please share with me the book, chapter and verse where "Scripture teaches infant baptism"..
That is covered in Lord's Day 27 of the Heidelberg Ronald. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOAtffLcqIU&t=62s
That is a significant topic, Ron. I will send you a paper on infant baptism and the Abrahamic covenant etc. (It will take a while, three grandchildren here.) I am thinking you are already aware of these things, so I will greatly appreciate your critique of the paper.