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Thank you for writing this informative and winsome reflection on an issue that my church has struggled with. It was a blessing to read. I have shared it.

Greg Williams

www.christiansoldier21.org

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Pastor Craig - Here's my response continued...

PART 2

My Responses to Section 2 – Less point for point; hopefully it engages with all you’ve written

1. We align. I hear you desiring to follow Christ, to submit to Scriptural teaching, and to do so with conviction and without cowardice. Here, I think we precisely align. I desire those same three things.

2. We align. You say, ‘Scripture teaches with unmistakable clarity that there are many moral matters on which the church simply must take a stand, and sexual immorality is one of those matters.’ I agree; I see that in the seventh commandment – “You shall not commit adultery,” and I believe (like the HC articulates) that this is not just about adultery, but about Jesus as Lord of our sexual lives. These teachings (7th commandment; HC 108) are a part of our denominational accountability – and I have always been fine with that. I imagine we would align on the unmistakable biblical clarity around sex trafficking and sexual abuse, for instance.

3. YES…,I believe you are fully convinced of your biblical interpretations.

4. YES…,I believe you need to follow Christian convictions. To do otherwise is unfaithful discipleship.

5. YES…,I believe you are aiming to love as best you know from your biblical interpretations and Christian convictions.

6. YES…,I choose to believe you when you say you are not operating out of homophobia or fear. I have continually chosen not to say you (or others like you) are operating out of fear, as I choose to trust your words rather than trust any assumed motivation for your actions.

7. YES…,I understand your concern about deeper and longer-term implications of the debate we are having right now.

a. One concern you mention is the ‘trajectory of denominations.’ I hear you – though I am interested in stats about Canadian denominations (the ones you mention are all exclusively US-based; and an ELCIC pastor yesterday simply noted that the ‘local option’ is working quite well for them).

b. A second concern you mention is the ‘preponderance of non-scriptural arguments put forth against the conclusions of the Human Sexuality Report.’ I would LOVE to have a biblical, theological and confessional conversation – so I understand your concern. At the same time, I think many of us fully understood that the HSR was likely to come back with a traditional conclusion (look at the committee make-up); but many of us understood that it was ok to ‘respectfully disagree’ with such decisions of synod (as many do with climate care conclusions). So for us, the big surprise was the ‘confessional status’ conclusion, its binding nature, and the result that we would be excluded from holding office in the CRCNA. Perhaps it helps, then, for you to understand that many of us didn’t feel we needed to show our biblical work upfront, as we understand that the HSR was very helpful for giving biblical rooting for the majority position in the CRCNA. In a similar way, not many have given biblical arguments back when climate care conclusions were expressed, because many concerns were more about practical matters.

8. We do not align. Your reading of Scripture has brought you to some very specific conclusions about same-sex marriage where you believe Scripture teaches ‘with unmistakable clarity.’ I do not agree with your Scriptural interpretations. And would LOVE the CRC to have that biblical, theological and confessional conversation much more openly, honestly, and without all the ‘threats’ which you yourself name in your article (loss of job, family without paycheck, etc). These threats have been very real ‘wrenches’ in my situation because of our classis.

9. So we need good, hearty biblical conversation. More than anything in the CRCNA, right now, that’s what I want. Can we do this? Can we give space to those with whom we disagree to deeply articulate their biblical, theological, and confessional conclusions? Can we name out loud that – as we do this hard work – it will probably mean that we cannot end up in the same denomination, but that we will honour one another as we have this hearty biblical conversation, and then we will also work to honour one another as we (likely) find ourselves needing to be in separate covenant communities – in order for everyone to find a fitting covenant home for their biblical convictions?

10. How would a CRC minister affirm same-sex marriage in a biblical, theological and confessional way? To have a hearty, open, honest conversation, I think those who are not ‘affirming’ of same-sex marriage need to be able to understand how those who are ‘affirming’ of same-sex marriage would make their case. Only then, can we actually talk to one another – rather than talking loudly, while actually missing one another. In my opinion, many of the Abide articles on this website are very articulate – but they are not speaking about the CRC ‘affirming’ folks that I know. And they are certainly not discussing the BEST biblical, theological and confessional case for affirming same-sex marriage. So I don’t see those articles as helpful for our dialogue. I have spoken in person, for instance, with Pastor Lora Copley about her articles. On CRC-Voices, they have a phrase for that: “Let’s not ‘straw-man’ the other’s position, but ‘steel-man’ the other’s position.” This is what Herman Bavink was known for – ‘he honoured his opponents. He always painted them in the strongest colors—he gave such a sympathetic portrayal that you would think it was his own position.”

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